What is Neck Width and How Does It Effect Bust Fit?

What is neck width? In the diagram above you can see that I have extended the Center Back (CB) and Center Front (CF) upwards and squared a line from each shoulder point – the measurement of this line is the neck width. As you can see above the back neck width is wider than the front neck width. Is this normal you may ask, and the answer is yes -it’s perfectly normal, in fact a sign of a well balanced neckline. In this post we will go on to look at the reasons for this difference and how this information can help your bust fitting.

Let’s first understand what the implications to fit are if the back neck width (BNW) is NOT wider that the front neck width (FNW). The answer to this is that the front neck will gape. My example block above is somewhat of an extreme example as it’s a contour fitted block that needs to fit really well at the above bust area. It’s a block designed for corsets and fitted garments and it needs to be snug! I have also designed this block to accommodate a C cup, so this adjustment actually makes that ‘difference’ between the BNW and the FNW wider still.

You can see in the image above how we can measure the back and front neck widths and compare them, here we are only measuring half, so of course you would need to double these quantities for the total neck widths.

In a block for a B cup (standard fitting block), the average difference between the two widths, meaning how much the BNW is wider than the FNW is generally around 6mm to 10mm – however this ‘difference’ will increase if you are fitting a larger bust or have fit issues and a gaping front neckline area, or a garment that does not sit well above the bust level. We are very concave above our bust level at the front and there can often be fit issues here when trying to fit a larger cup size.

Let’s take a look at an adjustment we can make to accommodate a full bust and get a better fit above the bust level, you may have already made a full bust adjustment and are still having fit issues, or your block may simply be gaping at the neck and not sitting correctly, here is a simple adjustment you can try.

First I am going to close out the dart at the shoulder, as a temporary measure to allow me to make the fit adjustment with no dart in place, it can be pivoted back after.

With the dart out of the way, now we are clear to make the FNW adjustment.

Plan the cut lines as shown on the front block above – we are going to cut this section of the block and move it over to the right to reduce the front neck width even more, this is a minor adjustment and I would advise doing it in stages, particularly with the block I am using above as it has already been fine tuned for a close fit above the bust.

What we are doing here is reducing the front neck width even more, for a larger cup size, the maximum adjustment I would recommend would be a total neck width adjustment of 1.25 cm (half an inch) to a regular block, or pattern you are working on. It’s always best to make these adjutments slowly and keep checking the fit.

Here we are essentially ‘fine tuning’ the fit, this can be a solution if the bust fits well for you, but the neckline is still not fitting as you would like it.

Here you can see that we have reduced the front neck width, we would now need to trace off this pattern section and smooth out the armhole as we have a tiny ‘jog’ at the armhole curve. Please note that these small fit adjustments do not effect the fit of the back at all. having made these changes you can now pivot the temporary dart back to the shoulder if you like.

I hope this post has helped a little. You may find all this slighly confusing if you have not read my previous posts on bust adjusment, It’s a popular topic for me and you can find lots more information in this series of posts on fitting at the bust!

Happy sewing and pattern making,

Nicola

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How to locate the bust point apex on a pattern – Part 2 – Fitting at the bust.

In my previous post I mentioned that I would expand a little more on how to find the bust point on different pattern shapes.

As I have already mentioned, if you have 2 darts on a pattern or a basic pattern block, then the bust point is fairly easy to find, simply extend lines through the center of both darts and where these lines touch, there lies the bust point! So we know that darts should point towards the bust point, and the reason this is the case is that this is the area that requires the most fullness.

The ‘job’ of a dart is to take fabric out where we don’t need it, for example at the shoulder, and let it out where we do need it, for example the fullness of the bust. This is why darts are sometimes referred to as ‘suppression’ as they suppress fabric.

The bust dart on a basic block

If the bust point is marked on a pattern or block, you can take a compass and with the point in the bust point, draw a circle around the bust point at the distance you would like the dart to end, if you remember we mentioned in our earlier post that darts are never sewn right to the bust point.

As I covered in my previous point, our bust points are not always where the pattern bust point is and I suggested a method to measure and locate your bust point, some of you asked for more detail so here it is. If you use the center front to bp measurement, then you must be sure you can see where the center front mid waist location is on your pattern, this is easy to locate on a basic block.

2 methods of measuring


Bust Point to BP

Coming back to the pattern, some of you also asked where the bust point is likely to be when a pattern has one dart, and also how far away from the bust point are the darts on a commercial pattern likely to be. Knowing the answer to both these questions will help you a lot.

Let’s take a look at the first question. We already know that the dart will be pointing towards the bust point on a pattern, we also know that if we draw a line through the center of the dart, then the bp will be somewhere on that extended line. If the dart on a pattern aims towards your bust point, then this is perfect for your bust, and there is no need to make any changes, of course you are free to make the dart longer or shorter as you desire, but there is no need to move the dart.

If the dart points to your Bust Point there is no need to worry!

Now answering the second question will also help. As a general rule the smaller the size the closer the end of the dart will be to the bust point, the large the size the further away it will be.

Here is a chart that will act as a rough guide to help you estimate the distance a dart ‘may’ be from a bust point, the chart will also give you a guide to planning your own dart locations.

larger cup sizes can be up to 3 inches – 7.5 cm

Another useful technique to know, when placing darts, is to draw a circle, with a compass around the bust point. All darts will lie on this circle. The radius of the circle will be the distance you select from the chart above, or your own personal preference!


The average bust fullness for a B cup

The illustration above shows the planning lines I would start with if I were to plan a garment that followed the contours of the actual ‘cup’ of the breast. The illustration is exactly to scale for a size 12 pattern and a B cup.

Now hopefully armed with all this extra fitting and sizing information you can refer back to post 1 in this series and locate and place your own bust point on any pattern you choose to use. As always if you have any questions at all, I would love to hear from you! Don’t forget to go back to post 1.

My next post will look at how you can determine your own cup size.

See you soon with more fitting around the bust!

Nicola x

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